Hello Camellia Yang, I wanted to comment on flowism, but that one is locked. You have been around on Substack for 4 years, so I am sure that your decisions are well thought-out. So I'll comment on Jung.
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This perspective suggests that a prophet's role involves awakening individuals when they deviate from their path. Let me be clear; would I be deviating from MY path, or deviating from dear Mr. Philosopher Jung's path. Kind of like China, deviating from the US "Rules-Based-Order" imposed on the world?
Then; "Incomplete reasoning becomes a barrier to our connection with higher wisdom", well, sure. - "There's a delicate balance between reason and meaning, hindering our grasp of life's essence".
All "Meaning" is an abstract, laid on top of our subjective interpretation of perception. (Especially true about our "grasp of life's essence".) Use it if it works in your life. Don't use it if it makes you jump out of the window, like in number 9. Maybe this meaning is even good for today? But the proof of yesterday's meaning is in the current war and killing in the world. Meaning has always proved to be short-lived.
Let's DO the numbers:
1. Jung made Freud's bookcase explode. WHOOPIE . He predicted someone will die, (and there would be a WAR). Plus; "I can interfere with electricity". (How about making some electricity, but don't lock it behind the paywall please).
2. There are no coincidences; everything is a meaningful signal for you. I could tell you some unbelievable, billion-to-one happenings, but I make no meaning out of them. I am satisfied enough with the things I do in my life today.
I do think we can all get-something out of every encounter. In fact, I am getting a huge payoff from writing this. I hope you are getting something from reading it. Why bother categorizing from both "inner and outer" worlds. That part is for believers.
3. Nietzsche? What can I say? The truth is in his results. He died crazy, and he is a negative force in the world. Those that "love" him are hoping for some extra power in the anti-world. The way to get there is to destroy what's here in front of your face. Isn't Nihilism the Nietzsche word? It is so easy to take out the trash.
4. Let's Try to make meaning out of dreams. What message do these seemingly random visions and dreams aim to convey? - This one is about people who's limited realm of possibility has blocked off all (or most) movement in their real life. Why isn't life on earth replete with vast possibilities? But no, I have spare time to record abstruse thoughts and try to do the "connection-trick". But where do these images come from??? I don't know. Can't some things remain a mystery?
5. "Tasks imposed by his inner self, stemming from a compelling sense of destiny. The inner landscapes he explores in his writing emerge from questions posed by his own psyche". - Now "destiny" has jumped in! (And Psyche too.) Who's watching the door anyway? - "I have strong emotional reactions and passionate resonance to my created meaning, out of my abstractions, which I hope to paste on all others".
Maybe there is not enough crowd-sourced emotion going around. Follow me, you creeps, I am articulating truths that no one is willing to hear. It's called chauvinism isn't it, a western specialty.
6. OK, you're searching for a short-cut, with your first Ayahuasca experience in Portugal, because you are an "efficient" westerner in mentality. No sense wasting time, let's get right to it. I usually don't tell personal stories, but this is true. Just last month, Dec 15th my "near-do-well" nephew, (and he had a lot of light and love in his heart, but he couldn't make it really work in his life), he was waiting in the car for his girlfriend to get off of work. He is a little older than you.
First I'll say, getting high is a mini-death. AND, getting more high is a medium or a maxi-death. And a well practiced drug taker is used to these catastrophic experiences. Well, there he sat in the car, and he popped the blue pill that he had just bought on the street. He had the BEST HIGH EVER of his life.
But guess what? HE DIDN'T WAKE UP THIS TIME. His girlfriend came out and her driver was a STIFF! I don't say it was equal to Ayahuasca, but why not? His mother was shell-shocked, being in partial denial all of his life. Me? I don't live there, and I only relate to people who can write. He couldn't.
7. Mandala - that's nice.
8. According to the "I Ching," the way of the Tao involves the interplay of Yin and Yang, capturing the ever-changing phenomena across heaven and earth: - In my understanding Yin/Yang are not separate. They are the inner "tension" that allows movement, and movement is what creates space/time. To recognize space there has to be matter, and it always moves, (or vibrates) and that movement is in space, and is seen through something called time. And the WHY of it? Really, the world is full of stupid questions.
Jung skillfully illustrates the dual nature of personality through archetypes like Anima, Animus, Shadow, and Persona. I think it is a far stretch from the Chinese traditions. (Which I would like to hear more about.)
✓The Anima archetype symbolizes the internal feminine aspect within males,
✓while the Animus embodies the internal masculine aspect within females.
✓These align with the archetypes of the Persona (and struggle I guess in LGBT)
In other words sex, as seen through acculturation, is the meaning of life?
"Adapting behavior based on societal expectations and peer pressures", (which includes your sex from day-1) and the ✓Shadow (unconscious passions and desires, nothing authentic there either).
Really, please do tell, what did you learn from all this that you have integrated into your life. How are you different now, besides spending time making meaning out of dreams? (and maybe psychedelics?)
"Integration of the unconscious into one's entire-consciousness is crucial for entering a more authentic and complete state of being". - Sure! but not "entire", it is a step-by-step process. Be aware of it, but don't be the controller, or try to hurry. You have the timeless to move through it.
9. Upon seeing her lifeless body, Jung remarked that he would never forget the triumphant expression on her face. She was willing to sacrifice her own life as a manifestation of evil. What anecdotal RUBBISH!
He says something about "external identity labels imposed upon them". Yeah, we are all victims, thanks for reminding us Carl. - She was full of unbearable sadness, always from her own reinforcing words, which Jung couldn't convince her to stop reciting, the failure of his methods. Where did it come from? In truth, from her own memory, because there is no existential "Past".
You say, (not Jung), that people can create a perfect image on social media, but this facade could make them feel even more lonely and lost. Gradually distancing themselves from their true selves, they start having a harder time building real connections with others. - This is the nature of social media on the Internet. Use it sure, but be aware there are life negating tendencies that are always pulling on you.
Then: a gift presented to you as a "profound truth" cannot be fully embraced. Many concepts and truths require a deep understanding that comes only with a certain level of awareness. - Giving your "perfect gift" to someone is damaging. It upsets their own natural process. Of course everyone is already so topsy-turvy, desperately seeking to "keep up with the Joneses" that they wouldn't recognize any authentic process if it hit them over the head. Comparison and Envy run the modern world. It is not always about material possessions. It is about "awareness", "enlightenment", the perfect philosophy, attaining Nirvana. (It is easy enough to step out of it.)
Interest in the abstruse EXACTLY EQUALS disinterest in your present life, and impatience with the sorting out of its contradictions. I work on the knack of widening your realm of possibility. I claim it is simple.
A decade ago, I thought of Jung as a charlatan; Good for you.
Camellia, you have brought back memories and reminded me of an unusual event. It had to do with Carl Jung and the Post-Jungists, whose books I read a long time ago when I was studying Corporate Finance. You see there was this book shop near University that I visited between lecture breaks LOL.
I do not know why, but one day I decided to visit and saw all these Jung themed books. It was fascinating flipping and reading all the blurbs on their back covers. As it happened I ended up purchasing many books during during the course of my studies.
My favourite author, James Hillman, a Post Jungian psychologist who studied in Zurich, and later founded archetypal pyschology movement then later retired in private practice.
I read his and enjoyed books over the years: The Soul's code; Archetypal Psychology; Revisioning Psychology; Puer Aeternus; A Blue Fire; City and The Soul etc etc
And also liked Marie-Louise von Franz, a Swiss Jungian psychologist and scholar, collaborated with Jung, her work was for her psychological interpretations of fairy tales and of alchemical manuscripts. The books I read are: Individuation in Fairy Tales, Alchemy.
My prized, special book is The Dream of Poliphilo: The Soul in Love (Jungian Classics Series) Paperback – January 1, 1987 by Linda Fierz-David.
This was a Jungian interpretation of the classic and popular 14th century book - with magnificent wood cut prints, Hypnerotomachia, the name is a combination of Greek and Latin, which means the soul in strife, but the title of the book by Linda is called the soul in love. Utterly fascinating and mysterious. I read it many times trying to fathom and make sense of it all. Many years later in a city bookshop, I saw a hard cover: Hypnerotomachia. it was expensive but I had to buy it !!! LOL
I have almost forgotten I have these books and now reading your post I should revisit them again LOL
You have opened the door again, as you know life gets in the way and get side tracked.
On Carl Jung
Hello Camellia Yang, I wanted to comment on flowism, but that one is locked. You have been around on Substack for 4 years, so I am sure that your decisions are well thought-out. So I'll comment on Jung.
__________
This perspective suggests that a prophet's role involves awakening individuals when they deviate from their path. Let me be clear; would I be deviating from MY path, or deviating from dear Mr. Philosopher Jung's path. Kind of like China, deviating from the US "Rules-Based-Order" imposed on the world?
Then; "Incomplete reasoning becomes a barrier to our connection with higher wisdom", well, sure. - "There's a delicate balance between reason and meaning, hindering our grasp of life's essence".
All "Meaning" is an abstract, laid on top of our subjective interpretation of perception. (Especially true about our "grasp of life's essence".) Use it if it works in your life. Don't use it if it makes you jump out of the window, like in number 9. Maybe this meaning is even good for today? But the proof of yesterday's meaning is in the current war and killing in the world. Meaning has always proved to be short-lived.
Let's DO the numbers:
1. Jung made Freud's bookcase explode. WHOOPIE . He predicted someone will die, (and there would be a WAR). Plus; "I can interfere with electricity". (How about making some electricity, but don't lock it behind the paywall please).
2. There are no coincidences; everything is a meaningful signal for you. I could tell you some unbelievable, billion-to-one happenings, but I make no meaning out of them. I am satisfied enough with the things I do in my life today.
I do think we can all get-something out of every encounter. In fact, I am getting a huge payoff from writing this. I hope you are getting something from reading it. Why bother categorizing from both "inner and outer" worlds. That part is for believers.
3. Nietzsche? What can I say? The truth is in his results. He died crazy, and he is a negative force in the world. Those that "love" him are hoping for some extra power in the anti-world. The way to get there is to destroy what's here in front of your face. Isn't Nihilism the Nietzsche word? It is so easy to take out the trash.
4. Let's Try to make meaning out of dreams. What message do these seemingly random visions and dreams aim to convey? - This one is about people who's limited realm of possibility has blocked off all (or most) movement in their real life. Why isn't life on earth replete with vast possibilities? But no, I have spare time to record abstruse thoughts and try to do the "connection-trick". But where do these images come from??? I don't know. Can't some things remain a mystery?
5. "Tasks imposed by his inner self, stemming from a compelling sense of destiny. The inner landscapes he explores in his writing emerge from questions posed by his own psyche". - Now "destiny" has jumped in! (And Psyche too.) Who's watching the door anyway? - "I have strong emotional reactions and passionate resonance to my created meaning, out of my abstractions, which I hope to paste on all others".
Maybe there is not enough crowd-sourced emotion going around. Follow me, you creeps, I am articulating truths that no one is willing to hear. It's called chauvinism isn't it, a western specialty.
6. OK, you're searching for a short-cut, with your first Ayahuasca experience in Portugal, because you are an "efficient" westerner in mentality. No sense wasting time, let's get right to it. I usually don't tell personal stories, but this is true. Just last month, Dec 15th my "near-do-well" nephew, (and he had a lot of light and love in his heart, but he couldn't make it really work in his life), he was waiting in the car for his girlfriend to get off of work. He is a little older than you.
First I'll say, getting high is a mini-death. AND, getting more high is a medium or a maxi-death. And a well practiced drug taker is used to these catastrophic experiences. Well, there he sat in the car, and he popped the blue pill that he had just bought on the street. He had the BEST HIGH EVER of his life.
But guess what? HE DIDN'T WAKE UP THIS TIME. His girlfriend came out and her driver was a STIFF! I don't say it was equal to Ayahuasca, but why not? His mother was shell-shocked, being in partial denial all of his life. Me? I don't live there, and I only relate to people who can write. He couldn't.
7. Mandala - that's nice.
8. According to the "I Ching," the way of the Tao involves the interplay of Yin and Yang, capturing the ever-changing phenomena across heaven and earth: - In my understanding Yin/Yang are not separate. They are the inner "tension" that allows movement, and movement is what creates space/time. To recognize space there has to be matter, and it always moves, (or vibrates) and that movement is in space, and is seen through something called time. And the WHY of it? Really, the world is full of stupid questions.
Jung skillfully illustrates the dual nature of personality through archetypes like Anima, Animus, Shadow, and Persona. I think it is a far stretch from the Chinese traditions. (Which I would like to hear more about.)
✓The Anima archetype symbolizes the internal feminine aspect within males,
✓while the Animus embodies the internal masculine aspect within females.
✓These align with the archetypes of the Persona (and struggle I guess in LGBT)
In other words sex, as seen through acculturation, is the meaning of life?
"Adapting behavior based on societal expectations and peer pressures", (which includes your sex from day-1) and the ✓Shadow (unconscious passions and desires, nothing authentic there either).
Really, please do tell, what did you learn from all this that you have integrated into your life. How are you different now, besides spending time making meaning out of dreams? (and maybe psychedelics?)
"Integration of the unconscious into one's entire-consciousness is crucial for entering a more authentic and complete state of being". - Sure! but not "entire", it is a step-by-step process. Be aware of it, but don't be the controller, or try to hurry. You have the timeless to move through it.
9. Upon seeing her lifeless body, Jung remarked that he would never forget the triumphant expression on her face. She was willing to sacrifice her own life as a manifestation of evil. What anecdotal RUBBISH!
He says something about "external identity labels imposed upon them". Yeah, we are all victims, thanks for reminding us Carl. - She was full of unbearable sadness, always from her own reinforcing words, which Jung couldn't convince her to stop reciting, the failure of his methods. Where did it come from? In truth, from her own memory, because there is no existential "Past".
You say, (not Jung), that people can create a perfect image on social media, but this facade could make them feel even more lonely and lost. Gradually distancing themselves from their true selves, they start having a harder time building real connections with others. - This is the nature of social media on the Internet. Use it sure, but be aware there are life negating tendencies that are always pulling on you.
Then: a gift presented to you as a "profound truth" cannot be fully embraced. Many concepts and truths require a deep understanding that comes only with a certain level of awareness. - Giving your "perfect gift" to someone is damaging. It upsets their own natural process. Of course everyone is already so topsy-turvy, desperately seeking to "keep up with the Joneses" that they wouldn't recognize any authentic process if it hit them over the head. Comparison and Envy run the modern world. It is not always about material possessions. It is about "awareness", "enlightenment", the perfect philosophy, attaining Nirvana. (It is easy enough to step out of it.)
Interest in the abstruse EXACTLY EQUALS disinterest in your present life, and impatience with the sorting out of its contradictions. I work on the knack of widening your realm of possibility. I claim it is simple.
A decade ago, I thought of Jung as a charlatan; Good for you.
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Hi Camellia.
OMG, WOW!
Camellia, you have brought back memories and reminded me of an unusual event. It had to do with Carl Jung and the Post-Jungists, whose books I read a long time ago when I was studying Corporate Finance. You see there was this book shop near University that I visited between lecture breaks LOL.
I do not know why, but one day I decided to visit and saw all these Jung themed books. It was fascinating flipping and reading all the blurbs on their back covers. As it happened I ended up purchasing many books during during the course of my studies.
My favourite author, James Hillman, a Post Jungian psychologist who studied in Zurich, and later founded archetypal pyschology movement then later retired in private practice.
I read his and enjoyed books over the years: The Soul's code; Archetypal Psychology; Revisioning Psychology; Puer Aeternus; A Blue Fire; City and The Soul etc etc
And also liked Marie-Louise von Franz, a Swiss Jungian psychologist and scholar, collaborated with Jung, her work was for her psychological interpretations of fairy tales and of alchemical manuscripts. The books I read are: Individuation in Fairy Tales, Alchemy.
My prized, special book is The Dream of Poliphilo: The Soul in Love (Jungian Classics Series) Paperback – January 1, 1987 by Linda Fierz-David.
This was a Jungian interpretation of the classic and popular 14th century book - with magnificent wood cut prints, Hypnerotomachia, the name is a combination of Greek and Latin, which means the soul in strife, but the title of the book by Linda is called the soul in love. Utterly fascinating and mysterious. I read it many times trying to fathom and make sense of it all. Many years later in a city bookshop, I saw a hard cover: Hypnerotomachia. it was expensive but I had to buy it !!! LOL
I have almost forgotten I have these books and now reading your post I should revisit them again LOL
You have opened the door again, as you know life gets in the way and get side tracked.
I have to try and find them.
Thanks for the great post.